Tag: transphobia

Look I am fully on board wih the aims of the Escape the Corset (탈코) movement in Korea. Women don’t need to cater to the male gaze and they shouldn’t be pressured to use all their time and energy to look pretty. It’s a very necessary movement and I hope it keeps up.

That said, there’s also a subset in the movement who are not just escaping the corset themselves but actively shaming women who do wear makeup and saying they’re not true feminists, their minds are enslaved and so on. Yes, anyone can be jerks about a movement and take it way too far, but there’s a clear trans-exclusionary undercurrent to this rhetoric against the reality where trans women are unable to be accepted as women at all unless they perform femininity to degrees far beyond cis women.

To be clear, trans women should not experience these pressures to be hyperfeminine, any more than cis women, and easing the ridiculous beauty pressure is good for all women. This isn’t about discrediting EtC or dismissing those who adhere to it as shrill bullies. It is not okay to invalidate the very real problems that prompted EtC by saying “I wear makeup because it makes me happy!” or such shit. Shut up. Not about you.

At the same time we can recognize that the trans-exclusionary part of the movement is using it to paint trans women as enemies of feminism and male oppressors, when makeup may be necessary for them in a way it is not for cis women.

The EtC movement is admirable and necessary. At the same time, please be on the lookout for ways activism can be co-opted to isolate and demonize some of our most vulnerable sisters. Please don’t forget trans women in your activism.

travelers-banter:

Fucking,.,.,. Who said that males have a 90 degree mandible? What terf saw that and went “yes we can totally determine the angle of a person’s jaw bone by looking at them while they are alive and have skin and muscles on them still” cause holy fucking shit!! That’s the dumbest thing that I have ever heard!!

Also I doubt you even know what part of the mandible is 90 degrees! If y’all did then you would know that you can’t determine that by looking at a living person and that you could only see it if you were looking at bones! The part that is 90 degrees in males is the Gonial Angle, which is the the angle formed by the corpus and ascending ramus!

It’s the dumbest fucking thing to assume that all sexual dimorphism in humans is linked to our bone structure, cause if you knew how our bones are shaped, you would know it has actually pretty subtle differences except in the case of the pelvis! We aren’t like most other hominoids! Males do not have crests on their skulls or are 2-3x the size of females! This is what a male vs female skull looks like

Note that the differences aren’t actually as much as terfs seem to think! Not to mention that this doesn’t account for racial differences in skulls as well.

These are both female skulls! Note that when you compare the skull of a female European to a female african, the European skull looks much more like a male skull.

The only real sexual dimorphism in humans that we can say for certain is caused by genetics and evolution is our size. A lot of what causes sexual diamorphism in humans is hormonal! That’s why hormones can drastically change the appearance of a person. Plus, there’s social aspects that can also affect our sexual dimorphism, like workload or how society sees body types of specific genders.

But looking back at the skulls, let’s compare it to other hominoids! Heres the skulls of gorillas:

Notice how there’s FAR more sexual dimorphism in gorillas compared to that of humans. It’s much more definite and clear as to what gender is which skull. Compared to other great apes, humans have very low sexual dimorphism.

So tl;dr: stop claiming bone structure is how you can determine the gender of a human while the human is still alive because most of human sexual dimorphism is hormonal and “males have 90 degree mandibles” is not something you should be using to determine the gender of a living human

Terfs are straight up delving into the racist/eugenics pseudoscience of craniometry now. Anyone surprised? Anyone?

i-am-a-fish:

queeranarchism:

bartfargo:

riftwitch:

fattyatomicmutant:

Petition to refer to TERFs as FARTs, which stands for Feminist Appropiating Reactionary Tranaphobe

“Trans-Exclusionary-Radical-Feminist,” when you think about it, is a VERY kind term. To be called a TERF is for the person to admit that they still consider you a feminist.

But what kind of feminist excludes so many women from their movement? If you hate so many women for what they are, you really don’t deserve to be called any kind of feminist, radical or otherwise.

Anti-trans people: Stop calling us terfs it’s insulting

fattyatomicmutant, about to coin a new term: ‘K

Feminist Appropiating Reactionary Transphobe

is far far more accurate too.

ima just spread this

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geekandmisandry:

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dragongoddesst2:

knaz16:

@fellow lesbians, what’s the reason you don’t date bihets? I’m asking coz I’m seeing more and more reasons not to date bi women with the way they act and want to know your stories, what is something you’ve noticed bihet women consistently do that lesbians don’t ?

For me: bi women are more attracted to gender roles than actual women. They will say they are not feminine but to them that means just not wearing makeup, everything else they do, they are not gnc the way lesbians are gnc, and they treat lesbians like men.

Anyone else?

Call me a bihet again. I dare you. I am going to politely agree to disagree here with you. The term bihet is false. You cannot be a bisexual heterosexual.
Also, your experience with one or two bi women in the past doesn’t mean every single bi woman is like that.
This post is disgusting.

Bihet.

Aw and I made IT cry too!

So many bihets tears, not enough cups ☕

….Literally calling bi people “it”.

Honestly, my bi ass wouldn’t want anything to do with their transphobic bullshit anyway. Do they think this is some punishment?

“I would never date a bi woman!”

Yeah,
well, that’s like saying you’d never serve me a plate of shit. Glad
it’s off the menu, but I wasn’t interested to begin with.

I’m very confused about what’s wrong with a person not wanting to date a trans person because they have different parts. Is it wrong if a penis or a vagina is a must for some people’s sexual partner? I wouldn’t call someone skinnyphobic if they only wanted to date plus sized-people, or think it’s wrong if armpit hair or a lack thereof is a turnoff. Even people who don’t like dating outside their race… I mean, that’s messed up, but what are you going to do, force them?

official-chicago-dyke-march:

lj-writes:

lj-writes:

There’s nothing wrong with not dating a trans person, which might be motivated by transphobia but is completely your prerogative. What’s wrong is generalizing about trans people. Trans people of the same gender don’t all have the same “parts,” for one thing. If you’re so prejudiced against trans people please don’t date any trans person ever, they don’t want you. What’s wrong is your transphobia, not the fact that you won’t date them.

And like, this idea that trans people are desperate to date cis people and are trying to use social justice rhetoric to make it happen is not only laughably off base, it is a dangerous and violent form of transphobia, especially transmisogyny.

To cis people who say this shit: You’re not all that. You could be the most attractive person to ever live, and spewing this kind of bigotry will turn any self-respecting trans person right off, not to mention most decent cis people. There are no hordes of trans people breaking down your doors trying make you date them. There’s just you, fancying yourself this amazing catch and trying to silence criticism of transphobia by getting super fragile and positioning trans people as would-be rapists–rhetoric that makes trans people acceptable targets of violence, that you KNOW puts them in danger and yet you do it anyway.

Because that’s the goal, isn’t it? The goal is to divert attention from your disgusting bigotry to making trans people even more unsafe, to make them too afraid to date or be sexual or to discuss the hatred of them and their bodies.

I see you. So please, by all means continue to be openly transphobic so the rest of us know whom to avoid.

Signed,

A cis woman.

if trans ppl weren’t desperate to date cis ppl, then trans women would’ve never invented the cotton ceiling or wasted so much time calling us genital fetishists for only being attracted to the same sex.

it’s weird how you guys always go for the argument that trans ppl don’t have the same genital configuration instead of explaining that ppl who aren’t bisexual will still date trans and nb ppl of the sex they’re attracted to. rejecting trans ppl of the sex they’ve never been attracted to isn’t the same as never dating a trans person. lesbians date trans men. het women stay with their mtf spouses. that shit is common. 

The cotton ceiling is literally about this exact phenomenon of trans women being excluded as dating prospects because of transphobia. And no doubt there are abusive dipshits who use that to pressure/guilt cis women, but to generalize that to all trans women? Remember how I said what’s wrong is not deciding you won’t date a trans person but generalizing about trans ppl? You’re doing that right here. You’re also disregarding the fact that trans activists themselves have criticized the cotton ceiling and the term no longer has currency, exposing your contention that trans women are inherently rapists for the hateful lie it is.

How each person chooses to identify their sexuality is their business, and if a lesbian dating a trans man continues to identify as a lesbian and a straight woman who stays married to her trans wife still identifies as straight, that’s between them and their partners. Furthermore, straight women have in fact left their marriages after their spouses came out as trans women, so it’s not universally true that straight women stay with their transgender wives–there’s an article where a bisexual woman talks about her wife’s transition and the range of responses to a spouse coming out and transitioning (link). Even women who have always known they were bi and choose to continue the relationship do not have an easy time of it, as she discusses. I have also read of a trans guy’s struggle with his straight boyfriend increasingly losing attraction to him as he presented and passed as more male, a difficult situation for both of them because they love each other very much.

So it’s just not true that all relationships adjust seamlessly to a partner’s transition. Everyone in this situation makes adjustments in their own way, and they are not rhetorical props to use in your facile and false assertion that sexual orientation is always determined by sex assigned at birth.

Chill. I was just asking a clarifying question. I WAS under the impression trans people were using SJW logic to guilt people into dating them, but I have no illusions about anyone, trans or otherwise, being desperate enough to date me that they would use manipulative tactics. You’ve made your point and I see where I was mistaken. I wasn’t trying to make trans people feel unsafe or anything of the kind.

It may not have been your conscious goal, but that is the effect. This is the kind of rhetoric terfs use to attack people. They did it to me, calling me a rape apologist who wanted lesbians to be raped by trans women (who they don’t see as women, of course), and I shudder to think what they do to trans women if they’d treat a cis person this way. That second part was addressing a larger problem which is why I didn’t put it in my answer to you but in a reblog–it wasn’t just about you, but about the discussion of transphobia in dating in general and how it is weaponized. I thought of making a new post for that reason but trans people’s voices should be centered in this discussion and I didn’t want to go into the whole context from scratch. If you’re more mindful of how this rhetoric is used to attack trans people and make them unsafe, that’s a good thing.

I’m very confused about what’s wrong with a person not wanting to date a trans person because they have different parts. Is it wrong if a penis or a vagina is a must for some people’s sexual partner? I wouldn’t call someone skinnyphobic if they only wanted to date plus sized-people, or think it’s wrong if armpit hair or a lack thereof is a turnoff. Even people who don’t like dating outside their race… I mean, that’s messed up, but what are you going to do, force them?

lj-writes:

There’s nothing wrong with not dating a trans person, which might be motivated by transphobia but is completely your prerogative. What’s wrong is generalizing about trans people. Trans people of the same gender don’t all have the same “parts,” for one thing. If you’re so prejudiced against trans people please don’t date any trans person ever, they don’t want you. What’s wrong is your transphobia, not the fact that you won’t date them.

And like, this idea that trans people are desperate to date cis people and are trying to use social justice rhetoric to make it happen is not only laughably off base, it is a dangerous and violent form of transphobia, especially transmisogyny.

To cis people who say this shit: You’re not all that. You could be the most attractive person to ever live, and spewing this kind of bigotry will turn any self-respecting trans person right off, not to mention most decent cis people. There are no hordes of trans people breaking down your doors trying make you date them. There’s just you, fancying yourself this amazing catch and trying to silence criticism of transphobia by getting super fragile and positioning trans people as would-be rapists–rhetoric that makes trans people acceptable targets of violence, that you KNOW puts them in danger and yet you do it anyway.

Because that’s the goal, isn’t it? The goal is to divert attention from your disgusting bigotry to making trans people even more unsafe, to make them too afraid to date or be sexual or to discuss the hatred of them and their bodies.

I see you. So please, by all means continue to be openly transphobic so the rest of us know whom to avoid.

Signed,

A cis woman.