I have Ezra Bridger building his own kinda Order with any Force users he comes across regardless of their ancestry. The mechanic I ship with Boba had a former padawan for a mother and her children are Force users, as are their children. (Her son and I’m debating her having a daughter with Boba.) My chiss oc’s two youngest despite both her and Thrawn being villains (those two kids are light side despite their parent(s)). Anyone else he can find. If parents want to teach their kids, that’s okay

I like that!

The anonymous is wrong. Yoda’s Jedi Order had all of those, they just weren’t onscreen; that’s the Service Corps (farmers in the AgriCorps, scientists and surveyors in the ExplorCorps, and so on). That order also lasted for thousands of years, while Luke’s lasted a bit over a hundred before Darth Krayt wiped them out again. And the old Order was being screwed by a Sith shrine beneath the Jedi Temple in any case (in Disney canon too), interfering with their ability to sense the Force’s will.

Well then, we can pretty much bring back the Service Corps, just without the child-snatching. And like, maybe not pimping the Knights out to lead slave soldiers into war. It would be nice to give people choices and individual will instead of making their entire lives revolve around the Order, and also good to cast a wider net instead of assuming only the Special Anointed are worthy of Force instruction.

Why Finn just has a few of parentage/family theories? He was taken from his family, it’s weird a big fandom like SW didn’t make millions of theories with that. even FinnSky, we don’t know how Luke/Finn scene could be, Finn even wanted to help Luke when Poe told him Luke was there with Kylo

Yeah, it’s frustrating. Outside a small circle of Finn stans he gets hardly any speculation at all. Finn’s wanting to help Luke is dismissed as just more of his vainglorious hot-headedness (which was literally never a part of his character lmao) and Finnsky is outright dismissed despite Luke canonically having love interests who were Black women.

To xilizhra, the Legends Luke’s Jedi were a lot like lj-writes’s, and by virtue of not taking children, an organization becomes stronger. All of the Jedi in the old Order were raised as Jedi. There was no expertise or experience out of the Order. Luke’s Legends Order and lj’s would have diversity of thought as well as moral superiority for not using child soldiers. Luke’s Order had scientists, artists, politicians, mechanics, farmers, and explorers, while Yoda’s had only warriors. (Moth)

Oh, that’s good to know! So we already have precedent for this and society won’t fall apart. Heads up @xilizhra!

I didn’t really go over the networked approach, since that seems to be more something out of necessity, but… if you’re adding track records to your criteria, that could drastically shrink the Order if you can’t direct new recruits from an early age. Strength in the Force is already quite rare; there were only ten thousand Jedi Knights when the Order fell (there are probably more slaveholding planets, much less slavers and slaves, than Knights), and this was with aggressive recruitment.

Well maybe the order should be smaller? What’s the point of having a large order of super-powerful beings who are going to be complacent in slavery and war, and could be wiped out in a single day? The title of the meta is literally “It really is time for the Jedi to end,” so I’m not sure why you think the Order being smaller is an objection. Besides, by “aggressive recruitment” you’re talking about taking children from their families and from where I’m standing the dismal results don’t come anywhere near justifying the morally questionable practice.

Besides, you’re ignoring the part where this approach could grow the order by a factor of trillions. I’m not envisioning a closed and secretive model–this networked approach could eventually spread Force teachings to much of the populace, awakening the Force in everyone. Only a fraction of them would be as powerful as the old Jedi Knights, but my entire premise is that having these powerful Knights wasn’t worth it in the first place. We’d be getting many more diverse powers in their place: mechanics, doctors, soldiers and politicians and artists using the Force to power their craft. It’s not just about might in battle but potentially transformative powers for entire galactic societies. Instead of Jedi needing to free enslaved populations (something they hardly ever did anyway), enslaved people could use the Force to free themselves. And yeah, this knowledge would be accessible to slaveholders and tyrants as well, but at least they’d find more people standing in their way.

I mean I understand your discomfort because the Jedi are the mainstay of Star Wars. But none of your objections so far seem to go beyond the basic one that things were never done this way before. “That’s not how the Force works,” in other words. To me that’s a feature and not a bug, though. This is the kind of subversion TLJ should have done if it wanted so badly to be subversive.

What I was saying, really, is that your model isn’t actually that different from the Jedi one, aside from it presumably starting with adults and maybe not training the ones that seem morally problematic? Though I’d disagree with that idea, because it seems like leaving them alone might make them more likely to go dark-sided, and if they find a Sith holocron lying around…

Um, not taking children from their homes is kind of a major change, tho…

So is selecting students for instruction based on their track record as a person as opposed to inborn Force power.

So is doing away with master-apprenticeship altogether and going for a more networked, horizontal approach.

How is it not that different from the Jedi model, like, did you read the meta? Other than the basic idea of training Force users everything is different, from selection criteria to methods.

I take it that you advocate actively bringing powerful Force users with repugnant beliefs into the social circle of Force users, giving them trust and access and helping make them more powerful? How about no? I mean if someone is spouting alt right beliefs you don’t induct them into the antifa and train them in the hopes of making them good. You fight them if and when they turn out to be a threat.

Some Jedi training cells or chapters–since I imagine this process will be highly decentralized–might have that philosophy and want to take on the responsibility of training potentially dangerous Force users, but I would not blame members of that chapter for leaving and other chapters keeping a wary distance. That’s another merit of this approach, that individuals are much freer to leave.

Rian totally ignored Rey, Finn and Poe are victims of Kylo Ren and that it happened just some days before TLJ. Kylo’s aggression in them wasn’t even mentioned

Yeah, just about the only one of Kylo’s crimes that got any mention was killing Han, I think? And even that was quickly shunted aside in favor of Luke momentarily thinking of killing him six years ago. It’s one of the reasons TLJ feels weirdly disconnected from TFA, because events from just a few days back that should have shattering implications–the village massacre, Hosnia, Starkiller Base, the torture of major characters–went unmentioned and their consequences were not explored. It’s like Johnson avoided bringing up things that made Kylo look bad, which means most of TFA had to be ignored.

HP was my first fandom and I shipped Hinny hardcore. I thought she was the perfect mix of self-reliant, smart, caring, flawed, and undeveloped to be Harry’s love interest and future wife in a series that wasn’t about him finding his future wife. Marriage making Harry a more official part of the Weasley family was just icing.

lj-writes:

Now that’s an actual pro-Hinny argument! My interest in the series was dropping off around the time Ginny came into her own, but I do remember being pleasantly surprised by her and rolling my eyes at the fandom hate. God, why do people hate the Weasleys so much, especially the youngest two?

@chuchisriyo Yikes @JK! Stop shitting on the Asian girl to make your white girl look good 2kForever.

My LI for Boba is a mechanic he met in Mos Eisley. They became friends and it went from there. She also has a son and he, remembering how it was being the child of a single parent, decides to get involved and be a support system for that child. No attempting to kill each other because yikes, that shit isn’t healthy

Awww I love the wholesomness!

One of my favorite moments in the old EU is when Luke offers to recruit a man named Streen into his Jedi Order. Per request, Luke teaches him to turn off his empathic powers, his true need. The old New Order was so peaceful, and the Disney version is just depressing. I mean, it’s one more on a long list, but it’s just another “what if your favorite characters were bad people” moment. “Mighty Skywalker blood”? Gross. And even Abrams left the possibility for a humanitarian Luke, until TLJ. (Moth).

There ain’t billions of dollars to be made off some dude who just wants to go about his life without being bothered by the Force lmao. I had a hard time making sense of how things went so very wrong after ROTJ, but I guess I can fit it together if I understand it as the plot of the OT giving rise to blood supremacism and Kylo Ren.