Now that’s an actual pro-Hinny argument! My interest in the series was dropping off around the time Ginny came into her own, but I do remember being pleasantly surprised by her and rolling my eyes at the fandom hate. God, why do people hate the Weasleys so much, especially the youngest two?
*obvious and overt to not just people of color but also white people
The prequels used a lot of racist tropes and caricatures, but generally on non-human characters. While that doesn’t make it okay, it did make the racism less obvious and overt, like you said. The prequels’ vanishingly few characters of color weren’t treated like racist caricatures, for all fandom turns Windu into one. TLJ was racist against human characters of color, which to me seems worse.
Yeah, like @diversehighfantasy said these claims are generally anecdotal. People’s experiences seem to differ a lot as you point out, and it’s hard to tell at what point in the stream we can judge the availability of merch. Production? Online retail stores? Disney parks? Wallmart? Local retail stores? It’ll take more intensive research than could be done on a blog to have anything like an overall picture.
It’s a literal truth that the model you describe failed in hideous ways. What’s the point of training powerful Force users if they’re going to be beholden to a hidebound bureaucracy or turn into mass murderers and tyrants themselves?
Besides, I already addressed your points in my original meta (link). I acknowledged that individual users might be less powerful and addressed the issue:
Yes, the individual users might not be as powerful as
those of the old Jedi and Luke’s new Jedi. Classically powerful Force
users like Rey would still have a place and play a major role, though.
What’s more, there would be many more Force users of more diverse powers
to meet potential evil Force users and other threats.
And nowhere did I deny that the Skywalkers were more powerful. I even said it was the entire basis of Kenobi and Yoda’s plan. But having more power and believing the Skywalkers have a special right to rule are two very different things. It’s the latter that I take exception to, and the latter belief that led to Kylo Ren.
why do people think hinny is forced and unrealistic the fact that ginny was a MOTHERFLIPPIN’ WEASLEY, which is one of the most AWESOME FAMILIES IN FICTION, would have been more than enough reason if anything it should have happened sooner i mean you can’t tell me not once until he noticed ginny was pretty did harry think ‘you know ron’s family would be the best inlaws ever’ speaking from personal experience harry is one of the luckiest guys EVER ship hinny and don’t take that away from him
L.J.: I like Hinny fine, ships were the last thing on my mind about HP anyway, but I still think the ship and Ginny herself still deserve an argument that focuses on her individual merits instead of her family’s.
It’s funny they should mention that scene, because I’d been thinking for a while how strongly Finn and Rey’s parting scene on Takodana reminded me of the parting between Rodrigo and Jimena from El Cid (1961).
I mean here’s the woman, climbing up on a higher step and turning to face the man for a Very Important Conversation just before he leaves we know you watched the scene over and over and were just itching to try it Rey you extra bitch
The woman tells the man how unhappy she is with his decision to go.
The man, in words or gesture, confesses his feelings for the woman. This part comes near the end of the conversation in El Cid but at the middle in the TFA scene, since Finn unlike Rodrigo must tell the truth of himself first.
The man makes a heartfelt request to the woman, and that’s exactly what it is–a request, respecfully presented without any pressure as opposed to “I can take whatever I want” or “I’ll destroy her”. As seen below, the woman refuses his request freely and without repercussions.
In each case the woman refuses, asserting her own needs and feelings, while also reiterating her unhappiness with the man’s leaving. This is greeted without any rancor or even a repeat request on the man’s part.
The man says good-bye with complicated feelings. He knows he’s leaving the woman unhappy and she doesn’t want him to go, but he does what he has to do. And she lets him, without threats or coercion, because when you love and respect someone you also respect their decisions.
That doesn’t mean she’s not sad as hell, of course. She climbs down from the steps she was standing on, the better to watch him go.
And she watches and watches, so sadly…
While the man in turn can barely bring himself to go, and looks back at her before he leaves for good.
Finn standing on a lower step than Rey is in fact a very recognizable romantic/knightly trope with the knight gazing up at his lady in adoration. It’s pretty much a mirrored version of the El Cid scene, as seen above. THAT is what knightly worship looks like.
Also, Kylo “bowing” to Rey? Nah, we’ve seen this before, a man invading a woman’s personal space after tying her up, only for her to ridicule and rebuff him (putting under a cut for potentially triggering content and also Hunchback of Notre Dame gifs):
In regards to The Hunchback of Notre Dame, I’m pretty sure I’ve mentioned this before, but it bares repeating. I was six-years-old when that movie came out. Now, as you would expect, at that age, I didn’t fully grasp things like sexual assault, and no one wanted to explain that to me, which is understandable. That being said, I was able to recognize that Frollo was “being mean” to Esmeralda, which I didn’t like. Again, I was six! Yet I realized the way Frollo treated Esmeralda was wrong more than I’ve ever seen Reylo’s do, regardless of age.
I think it’s because Kylo is young and able-bodied–fuckable, in other words. It seems to turn off some people’s assault detectors.
one of my favorite tropes of all time is when the author tries to replace curse words with a more ‘family friendly’ alternative or invent new words for worldbuilding purposes but they use existing words that make the whole thing unintentionally hilarious out of context
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