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Hey, its a different anon :) Do you know where we see the breakdowns for the length of screen time per character? Watching TLJ it felt like Rey had less screen time than before and her story seemed liked a subplot that connected to the main story of the Resistance trying to escape the FO. Yet I keep seeing her story being referred to as the main plot with the most screen time.

I was curious myself, and here’s one breakdown by IMBD user ninewheels0 (link):

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According to this count Rey has the most screentime in both movies, so calling hers (Kylo and Luke’s, really) the main plot is not wrong. However her screentime is, in fact, reduced in TLJ compared to TFA so your gut feeling is right as well. Kylo had slightly less screen time in TLJ than TFA, too, which is why his screentime count did not jump in comparison to other characters. You can see that he’s made a significant gain on Finn, though. He had 2/3 of Finn’s screentime in TFA, but the two are almost even in TLJ. And that’s just mechanically counting the minutes–I think we can agree that there was significantly more focus on Kylo’s character and background during the time he appeared on screen than there was on Finn during his appearances.

The forum post where I found the above count also did a comparison of how each character’s screentime in TLJ compared to their time in TFA (link). The result is pretty telling: Finn had the biggest negative shift in TFA-TLJ screen time other than Han, who died.

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Finn getting the most time cut is in absolute minutes, not the proportion of screen time. Finn didn’t have the greatest proportion of his screentime cut among the living characters, but the only living characters who had a greater proportion of their screentime cut were secondary and tertiary characters such as BB-8, Chewbacca, and Maz.

RJ might not have carried through with his joke of keeping Finn in a coma for the entire movie, but he seems to have gone as close to it as he could get away with.

i see what you mean, and i think it’s not something that bothers me because how much of it was rey’s screentime for her OWN character in comparison? her time doubled because her storyline mingled with that of another lead (kylo), and i think the time each character had on their own would be either comparable or less than finn’s. i think finn’s screentime will balloon again because we know he has stuff with rey (from daisy) and we’ve seen that he has stuff with poe.

thelastjedicritical:

lj-writes:

i ran out of space in the last anon but yeah, my point basically
is that finn had a lot of screentime in [tfa] because he was with another
lead (rey), rian alienated him in tlj so he had less screentime but the
screentime was all about his character for better or for worse, and in 9
we’ll see him go back to tfa amounts if not more. 

That’s something else that bothers me about TLJ, though, because Finn is at least as much Kylo Ren’s foil as Rey is and should have been more involved in the plot with KR. There was nothing inevitable about Finn getting less time with other leads and less screen time in addition to the crappy and pointless retread of his arc from the prior movie.

RJ himself said he cut a lot of Finn’s scenes because they were more plotty and therefore disposable, and again, there was nothing about Finn’s character or the story that dictated that Finn get the plotty and less-important scenes that subsequently ended up on the cutting room floor.

This anon is quite simply writing nonsense. Rey’s screentime did not double. Rey’s screentime got LESS, significantly, compared to TFA, and Finn’s screentime was cut in half compared to his screentime in TFA. Rey lost approx. 13 minutes, Finn lost almost 20 minutes. Just in case: Rey, IN TFA, was with the OTHER LEAD, WHO WAS FINN!. Kylo Ren’s screentime didn’t even get significantly bigger compared to TFA but this time it was used to let him ramble his BS, when during most of TFA he was a horror in a mask. Rey’s or Finn’s screentime should not depend on who they are with, they are lead characters whose screentime should be planned in advance and it should be essential that their screentime is important and that the story revolves around them! Then doing what RJ did to Finn would be IMPOSSIBLE! I mean I could also argue Rey’s screentime just exists so that we can hear Kylo whine and Luke being an ass bc nothing much else fucking happens. Finn’s screentime wasn’t connected to RJ’s only real idea for TLJ, so it could just be cut. Also please tell me how space horses and naked butt aliens and boring shit people went to the LOO for bc they couldn’t take it anymore was all about Finn. He learned NOTHING he didn’t already know in TFA! This nonsense was straight up filler material! and RJ CUT scenes that could’ve deepened his character development and story bc he somehow believed they didn’t matter!!!!!!

So again: Finn’s screentime does not depend on who he is with. His screentime should stand on its OWN bc he is IMPORTANT. Fucking hell, I can’t handle this BULLSHIT

That reylo who said that Luke passed the torch to both Rey and “Ben” I’ve seen posts of their’s in the episode ix tag among their other mad ramblings are that Rey will go back to Kylo to translate the Jedi texts because “Ben studied calligraphy”, they also said that JJ Abrams can’t write for shit (and by that they literally mean that he would write a story where reylo doesn’t become canon)

“Ben studied calligraphy” may be my new favorite reylow thing 😂 I mean these are all fine for fanfic and headcanons, it’s just incredible to me that this blogger and others think their fanfics and theories are actual canon.

I think Lucasfilm just forgot Rex wasn’t white. Since Temura Morrison is white passing, I feel like maybe they just don’t keep track of their characters’ skin colors, meaning they treat race rather shallowly. That or they want us to believe a white guy is actually Maori so we can have more diversity in the OT… wait, trying to pass a white guy off as non-white is literally the definition of whitewashing, so good or neutral intentions that’s still what it is.

I can‘t comment on whether Tem is white-passing because as a non-Westerner I have a really bad sense in general for who is white, nevermind white-passing. I have a hard time believing anyone who works for LF doesn’t know he is Maori, though, because isn’t that rather a big deal? Filoni and LF continue to be trash because they could have just said Rex was on Endor without retconning him to be a white guy.

i see what you mean, and i think it’s not something that bothers me because how much of it was rey’s screentime for her OWN character in comparison? her time doubled because her storyline mingled with that of another lead (kylo), and i think the time each character had on their own would be either comparable or less than finn’s. i think finn’s screentime will balloon again because we know he has stuff with rey (from daisy) and we’ve seen that he has stuff with poe.

i ran out of space in the last anon but yeah, my point basically
is that finn had a lot of screentime in [tfa] because he was with another
lead (rey), rian alienated him in tlj so he had less screentime but the
screentime was all about his character for better or for worse, and in 9
we’ll see him go back to tfa amounts if not more. 

That’s something else that bothers me about TLJ, though, because Finn is at least as much Kylo Ren’s foil as Rey is and should have been more involved in the plot with KR. There was nothing inevitable about Finn getting less time with other leads and less screen time in addition to the crappy and pointless retread of his arc from the prior movie.

RJ himself said he cut a lot of Finn’s scenes because they were more plotty and therefore disposable, and again, there was nothing about Finn’s character or the story that dictated that Finn get the plotty and less-important scenes that subsequently ended up on the cutting room floor.

Re: capitalism fails to compensate for the most fulfilling work, I don’t think the most fulfilling work can be compensated with money. It’s fulfilling for its own sake. But I agree it’s not fair that fulfilling work should come at the expense of making a living or vice versa, and I think most artists would agree. Capitalism itself isn’t the problem though, it’s capitalism as it exists now.

Very true, it’s the way capitalism–as it is currently constituted–takes away from the most valuable parts of life that’s a problem. Compensation doesn’t have to be money either, I mean no one needs to get super rich from raising their own kids. But when people have to choose between spending adequate time with their kids and providing for them, forced to substitute less valuable activities for more valuable ones, then capitalism is actively decreasing social value.

theinkstainsblog:

hurleyforsocialjustice:

radicel:

radicel:

fuck it

i dont want girls sexualising mlm relationships anymore. at all

i dont want them fetishizing our relationships bc they think it’s sexy

i dont care if its a “way for them to express their sexuality”. that aint right and its messed that they can say that they want men in the porn industry to stop fetishizing wlw relationships, only to do the same bc its “fandom”

can yall please reblog this actually ??

bc like. im a boy attracted to boys. and this is making me uncomfortable and i want it to stop

and im not the only one ? a handful of people have agreed with me and im sure there are more

please dont ignore this bc you want to keep writing/drawing/reading m/m porn…. or bc im a boy and you dont care what i have to say….. especially if you disagree with the treatment of wlw in the porn industry its a double standard and this is important to me and i dont want it to be swept under the rug

Add on: you can still write, draw and read about mlm without fetishizing them. By fetishization, OP means that you only see these relationships as sexy and sinful instead of just seeing it as average everyday relationships.

Nearly every girl I’ve met within fandoms with mlm ships has only focused on the men having sex or calling them ‘my nasty gay babies’ and that’s just gross.

We’re all writers here so I thought it important that y’all see this and take note. 

The most valuable work of all is oftentimes unpaid work. I generate a heck of a lot more value playing with my kid and cooking good meals for him than I do stuffing knowledge into college students’ heads that they will forget five minutes after finals are done, and that’s a best case scenario. I make more people happier writing fanfic about characters they love than writing papers that ten people in a hyper-specialized field will read. I would do far more for the world campaigning for better environmental regulation than I would worrying about debt and providing for my family. Capitalism not only fails to compensate for the most valuable work, it seems designed to actively kill fulfillment, happiness, personal development, and efforts for a better world.