so i just saw the anon you got about finn being sidelined, and i don’t think that was the issue in tlj. he got comparable screentime to all of the other leads and had supporting characters like all of the other leads. the issue was that the writing for him was garbage. john’s acknowledged that in his twitter and instagram likes and he’s been really enthusiastic about 9 so i think it’s a given that the finn stuff will be better. if it’ll please us is another issue, but at least john likes it.

diversehighfantasy:

lj-writes:

Finn objectively had less screen time, though. I’ve seen one count where Finn has like half of Rey’s screen time. The reduction came entirely in TLJ, since they had about equal screen time in TFA. People have commented on there being so much less Finn, to the extent RJ explained his decisions to cut many of Finn’s scenes (link) and to condense his pivotal duel with Phasma (link).

To me the explanations don’t hold water, though. If too many of Finn’s scenes were transitional, then why not write more pivotal scenes for him? Why were Finn’s scenes always first on the cutting block as opposed to, oh here’s a revolutionary idea, cutting and condensing other scenes in favor of giving the male lead more time? Oh right, because he didn’t waaaant to. Because the fucking hack can’t be arsed to do his job and KK in her infinite wisdom let him slack off. She’s had no issue whatsoever with firing directors who weren’t up to par, but this shit somehow passed muster.

If we ever get an extended TLJ (which I imagine we will someday), with Finn’s cut scenes restored, I think it will be a better movie overall, Finn’s lead status will be more clear, and his screen time will be about the same as Rey’s.

RJ is a hack in every sense of the word. He decided to cut so much Finn, including pivotal and emotionally relevant scenes, and yet left in green tiddy milk and a gratuitous shirtless Kylo scene. He was disproportionately excited about the white characters is a trilogy with a Black co-lead. He never should have been given the reins.

I don’t know for sure, but I believe the storygroup (not RJ) was behind having a lead arc for Finn paralleling Rey’s, it was done, and RJ just dialed Finn back in post. Of course cuts had to be made, but when you look at Finn’s deleted scenes it seems like there was contempt for Finn’s status in the ST.

So glad he can’t get his hands on epIX.

That’s what gets me about TLJ, the contempt and mean-spiritedness particularly toward Finn. There have been bad SW movies before, who cares, you don’t watch most SW for the cinematic mastery anyway. But even the worst movies, The Phantom Menace, Solo, were earnest in their love of the world and its morality, sometimes painfully so. There has never been a SW movie that felt actually malicious toward the whole idea of SW and focused its ridicule on one character in particular. It’s a surreal and unpleasant experience made worse by the insistence that it’s a progressive masterpiece and the concerted efforts to silence criticism–something else I have not seen before with SW movies.

Reylo here. We’ve called this fic out. One of my friends was friends with the author and even spoke to them privately about how bad it was. She was going to delete it but changed her mind. You keep acting like no reylo ever says anything about bad stuff when we do all the time. We’re not like antis who pretend everyone is perfect. Unfortunately the story isn’t going anywhere so you need to focus on other stuff like the rest of us. I’d be glad to give you reylo fic refs where Finn is treated well

diversehighfantasy:

jewishcomeradebot:

captainsaltymuyfancy:

nutheadgee:

captainamericagf:

i have two hands. i can talk about this fic and the fact that there are still dozens upon dozens of reylos reading and praising it while also talking about other things, like the reylo yesterday who went after a 14 year old anti. i believe you that there are reylos who call stuff out, but there are also TONS of reylos who don’t. i mean, theassholeantiarchive made a post about it but refused to call out the racism and instead labeled me as a harasser when i haven’t even interacted with the author. 

and i dont want fic recs lol i fucking hate reylo no matter what. 

“need to focus on other stuff like the rest of us”

Must feel so good when it’s not your people being reduced to a violent, disgusting and racist stereotype, huh anon? 🙄🙄🙄

“Fics where Finn is treated well” lmao according to fucking reylos? Pass

Which ones? They don’t exit. The whole base premise of reylo is that Finn for “some reason” isn’t worthy of Rey, “somehow” isn’t good enough for her. It’s impossible to write a reylo story that treats Finn well, the best you can do is just not include him at all. Which granted is its own problem, but at least you don’t violently mistreat or misportray the character the way you do when he’s included.

I would ask anon how they think a reylo story can treat Finn well, but as it’d include heaps of racism I’m frankly not at all interested in hearing their nonsense. Also, I’d demand they come off anon and say it with their face attached, but these schmucks are way too cowardly for that.

And anon? You could absolutely prevent that story from existing if you wanted to. You have all made certain that Black fans have been driven out by concerted efforts on your part, you could do something about this writer too. If you actually wanted to do something about this kind of aggressive and violent racism.

The fact that you all elect not to speaks its own language.

“You have all made certain that Black fans have been driven out by concerted efforts on your part, you could do something about this writer too.”

Exaaaaactly. When Black reylos spoke out about racist reylo fanfic, all hell broke loose. The reylo fandom sided with the white creators of racist content even before it got out of hand.

It takes a meeting of the minds to create a fandom space that doesn’t tolerate racism. The reylo fandom has demonstrated again and again that they have zero tolerance for speaking up about racism (notice the reylo claiming to have said something is anon). Actual racism is very much tolerated and widely supported.

Quietly expressing disapproval in private or hidden by anon doesn’t mean shit.

Yeah, it struck me how a reylo who openly called out the fic in the ao3 comments did so anonymously. It should alarm fans that this section of the fandom has become a space where people who call out racism are the ones who fear being driven off and harassed. By rejecting criticism of racism more than racism itself, the reylo fandom has turned itself into a safe space for racists.

How “The Last Jedi Defies Expectations” video is bad, it was basically “Poe and Finn needed women to put them in their place” acting as if Finn and Poe are played by white men

thelastjedicritical:

lj-writes:

I have repeatedly stated that the “perfect and all-knowing woman exists to teach wayward man” is actually a very regressive and sexist trope, and it intersects with racism when the men in question are MOCs.

This is the point. This trope falls apart in several ways. 1.) the storylines of female characters shouldn’t be about fixing men 2.) female characters shouldn’t shine because the men around them are stupid but because the female character is brilliant 3.) white women lecturing stupid MOC is racist shit.

This nonsense is the worst white feminist, fake feminist crap. It’s based on the first tries to somehow make women shine but still bases their entire storylines on men and forgets that women can be brilliant on their own without having to dumb the men around them down. It’s this idea that a women among smart men can’t shine and that if a brilliant woman meets a stupid man it’s her job to help him. Why??

And if you then take into consideration that two MOC were turned into racist stereotypes to achieve this storytelling, there is truly nothing to salvage.

I recall you saying that you’d like N. K. Jemisin to write a Finn novel. Have you read anything by her? (I’m kinda asking because I just started reading her Broken Earth series and damn I’m impressed and enthralled.)

I haven’t had the pleasure yet because I’m pretty sure once I start I’ll fall down a hole and be unable to climb out until I’ve read everything, but I have heard good things about her. She also won a Hugo award this year for her novel The Stone Sky! So, would you back me up that she’d write a good Finn book? 😉

Ummm, someone just did something on this. Poe DOES have more merch than Finn. Apparently the person with the least amount of merch is Rose, which sadly isn’t surprising given the unpopularity of the character, but the person with the second-least amount is Finn, which makes no sense. If the point is Poe, Finn, etc have much less merch than Kylo, that is true, but it’s not accurate to say Poe has less merch overall than Finn, because no. Generally if they want a light side guy they’ll use Poe.

I’m having a hard time checking out this claim because there are so many different outlets and categories that I hardly know where to start. But if true, it’s disturbing.

I don’t think that anon understands. It’s not about Poe eating into Finn’s territory, it’s that there is more Poe merch than Finn merch this is established fact. For example, the Halloween after TFA came out, Party City stocked Damerey costumes for adults (so the guy could be Poe and the girl Rey and they made it clear it was romantic) but no Finnrey counterpart. This past Christmas, Poe and Rey were in a giftset at Walgreens, but no Finn and Rey. This happens a lot. It’s not a lie or a trick.

I was really struck by how Daisy was asked about Reylow and Doomerey but not Finnrey in a pre-TLJ interview, too. It’s like people are desperate for Rey to end up with anyone, including no one, BUT Finn.

Got a Rec! If you’re looking for a diverse ongoing manga to read I highly suggest Kaoru Mori’s A Bride’s Story. Set in turn-of-the-century Turkmenistan, it focuses on a young Nomadic girl living and working in a rapidly changing world. The artwork is GORGEOUS, the characters are lovable and it is fantastically well-researched. Check it out if you have the time!

Oh, I love A Bride’s Story! I mean it has its problems–people should be aware, for instance, that the main bride is a 20-year-old woman married to a 12-year-old boy. I’m not about to call the wife Amir a predator because the marriage was arranged and she didn’t even know who the groom was, much less his age, until the wedding. Nevertheless, a big part of the story is the developing feelings between Amir and her husband Karluk as he tries hard to grow up and be a man for her, and people may be understandably uncomfortable with that. I’m not as disturbed by the relationship as others might be because child marriage between older girls and younger boys was traditionally rather common in Korea, but the Karluk-Amir romance is not my favorite part of the story either. I read it mostly for the other brides, see below.

On a similar note the manga has been criticized for sanitizing and even glorifying customs and practices that are oppressive in many contexts, such as the aforementioned arranged marriage and the very circumscribed lives of women. It has the Perfectly Matched trope in spades with young brides falling in love with appropriately young grooms, incredibly kind and understanding husbands everywhere, and hardly any mention of polygamy except where a wife wants it.

If you can get past these problems A Bride’s Story has a lot to commend it. The story has a slate of memorable characters and well-drawn relationships. The twin brides Laila
and Leyli from the fishing village were absolutely hilarious, and I am
currently all over my feels for Pariya, the very clearly autistic girl
who struggles to navigate love and traditional womanhood (that… damned… embroidery!!!). The manga has
wlw representation as well with Anis and Shirin, the Persian wives who
are in love with each other. I love stories of queer romance in
historical settings well before non-straight identities were openly
recognized.

Regarding sanitation, ABS to me is an interesting study in how people’s choices are shaped by
their circumstances and how people find happiness and love, if they’re
lucky, in even fairly restrictive societies. The deep sense of family
and community in this traditional society is deeply moving and
interesting as well, and it saddens me that a lot of communities like
these were–and will be, in the manga–destroyed or forced to undergo
serious upheaval. I think the author is similarly reluctant to put these
characters through the wringer because she’s been dragging on that war
plot for several books now. XD

Verdict: A Bride’s Story is my beautiful problematic fave. I recommend it highly, too, with caveats.

Someone on a discord I am in like was saying tlj wasn’t racist and that like the shit that happened was like normal and now they are saying something else about this other thing even though me and like three others are giving them proof and it’s getting me really mad

I guess for some people denying the existence of racism in media will always be easier than engaging with it. I can forgive RJ for making a bad and boring SW movie–hell, arguably he’s in good company there–but I can’t forgive him for being such a spiteful shit about it.

I think the reason Palpatine just wanting power doesn’t bug me is that I never saw any reason why he shouldn’t. But Kylo being the way he is either feels inorganic to his background, or is an indictment of Leia’s and Han’s parenting skills that just feels like one more ST fuck-you to the original cast. No character trait comes from nowhere, and a reason that even people who want Kylo to stay a villain might be unsatisfied is that we want to see how Leia and Han failed.

I mean there is definitely the fuck-you angle so I can understand why a lot of OT fans don’t like the ST. On the other hand, I can see how Kylo got there and I don’t think it needs additional explication. Here’s a guy who was told implicitly his entire life that a) he is born to save the universe and b) he is special. It doesn’t matter if that’s not what Leia or Han thought or what they consciously instilled into him, these two tenets were baked into the narrative of his life. Put a) and b) together, sprinkle in a few wrong choices and add someone (Snoke) who told him what he wanted to hear encouraging his mushrooming narcissism. Stir, shake, and you get the belief that he is entitled to shape the universe however he sees fit.

This is exactly why I believe that not only should the Skywalkers die out, or at least the idea of them as a special anointed dynasty (which was always more fanon than canon anyway), Luke was halfway onto the right idea and the Jedi as we know it do need to end. Rather, Force instruction should change radically to bring out the Force inherent in everyone, not select for genetic superhumans which is a system that just begs for another Palpatine, Vader, or Kylo Ren. That’s what my Force-Sensitive Five post at heart was about (link), and that’s the direction I hope the franchise is going. It would go a long way toward making SW more palatable and any victory in Episode IX a lasting thing.